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HairyHammer 9:16 Mon Jul 13
Has the labour party died ?

With Harriet Harmen supporting tax credit cuts by the conservative party within hours of Osbourne's speech it has led me to believe that the Labour party no longer can be looked upon as the party of the working class in any way.
I know since Blair the party had made big changes but the lilly livered decision to support the austerity measures of a party that mercilessly goes after the poor without impunity seemed to me like an action of a party that accepts defeat with actions of cowardice .
What now is the difference between the two parties and what is the point of even voting if stupid politicians like Harman exist to simply justify the status quo.
Labour have put a lot of emphasis on their policies for the reason why they lost , where for me the bigger picture was always how poor their leader was and how pathetically they refused to at least accept that their decisions and mistakes for the banking disaster played some part in the state they left the country in when they were voted out.

mentor 8:31 Thu Aug 13
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Just goes to show how many weirdos there are in this country. I blame student indoctrination in our marxist infested schools and Universities.

alphaharps 1:49 Thu Aug 13
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Corbyn's gonna get ya

After8 12:57 Thu Aug 13
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Dead as a DODO

After8 5:43 Wed Aug 5
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It confuses them Mike because it's an EU US trade deal and they love being part of the EU. If we weren't in the EU we wouldn't have TTIP.

Still Corbyn will probably be against. The other three have zero opinion on anything.

Mike Oxsaw 5:10 Wed Aug 5
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Where do the Labour party/candidates stand on TTIP?

It's still gonna fuck the country in favour of a select few, even though it's not in the headlines at the moment.

Prometheus50 1:59 Wed Aug 5
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Interesting to see the bookies prices suggesting Corbyn is now in decline even though there is no evidence to support that

Sounds to me like senior Labour officials briefing whomever needs to be briefed on a fictional polls to give the impression Burnham is now in the lead

I rather think that if the local parties have been flooded by left wing activists as in suggested, Corbyn will have this in the bag and the Blairites will forever regret their "moronic error"

Bullet 8:39 Fri Jul 31
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A8, I hope your right, can't stand the bloke, although stranger things have happened.

After8 8:25 Fri Jul 31
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Bullet to become an mp he's got to get selected by a local party. The local parties are in being flooded by radical lefties hence why Corbyn is winning.

No hard left labour branch is going to pick Miliband, especially if they think he's launching a leadership bid.

After8 8:22 Fri Jul 31
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David Miliband is waiting until two years from now but may find that Labour have moved on then.

Bullet 8:21 Fri Jul 31
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David Milliband indicated that he is plotting a return to British politics amid speculation that Labour could hold another leadership election after the in-out EU referendum.

The news came as it emerged that Mr Miliband’s contract with his International Rescue charity ends in 2018, potentially allowing him to return to Parliament before the 2020 general election.
Mr Miliband was drawn on his future plans in a series of interviews with CNN and The Times newspaper.

He said: “This isn't the place to venture into my career choices. I've got a big job to do here, I'm very committed to doing it.
“I hope that I can use my voice now and again in the British scene. In terms of what I do next I'll have to take some time to think about that."

Mr Miliband has said that he wants to fight to keep Britain in the EU in the referendum.

Senior Labour figures have said the party could hold another leadership election before the 2020 election to reconfirm the party’s leader in the run up to polling day.
This would allow Mr Miliband potentially to stand for the leadership if he were elected an MP.

Mr Miliband refused to rule out a return to frontline UK politics and has already announced plans for a major speech in London in October, just weeks after the new Labour leader is due to be appointed.

Infidel 7:01 Fri Jul 31
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He can't stand because he's not an MP.

Bullet 6:35 Fri Jul 31
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I noticed that Dave Milliband invited lots of Labour peers, jowell among others to his 50th bash, but didn't invite his brother Ed.

I can see Dave standing soon, ambitious thing that he is.

After8 5:34 Fri Jul 31
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Comma sorry that doesn't stack up as we've had more than two parties for years.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:30 Fri Jul 31
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, 2:20 Fri Jul 31

'you know as well as I do that a 25% mandate'

Sorry, mate, you can count the 34% of abstentions as being supportive of the government / status quo or you can count them as being lazy, feckless or ignorant and therefore irrelevant. What you can't do, is what you're doing. Counting them as against the government / status quo. There's no basis for it at all.

You look particularly desperate and disingenuous when, if using this method, no UK government of any party has ever had a mandate of the sort you insist upon. No government, ever.

So stop being silly, there's a good lad.

Hammer and Pickle 4:41 Fri Jul 31
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Neither party has offered anything approaching brave, progressive policy in years, but that would require leaving the trenches of Tory isolationism and Labour tax-and-spend.

It's been a truly grim decade for party politics.

Infidel 3:37 Fri Jul 31
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The Government has a duty to do the best it can for the country.

It cannot and should not try to second guess what its opponents might want for 'moral' reasons.

If I am ever elected PM I can assure you I will govern with utter contempt for the socialist half of the country.

, 2:20 Fri Jul 31
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Infidel, you know as well as I do that a 25% mandate is not one giving moral consent for a government to do at it pleases. Constitutionally the government has a mandate but that is not the will of the electorate.

I agree with you about the spread of the votes cast giving a broad rightist mandate but if that is the case surely Cameron has an obligation to acknowledge that by inviting Carswell into his Cabinet.

You cannot have it both ways by assuming that because four million people voted for UKIP they are of the right and therefore happy with a conservative government speaking for them. Why did they vote for UKIP when there was a conservative available to elect for their constituencies?

Infidel 2:00 Fri Jul 31
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Comma

By any measure the Conservative Government has a very substantial mandate to govern.

They won a majority of seats.

They won a share of registered voters which, added to those who didn't vote, shows a majority of the country are either not opposed to them or actively in favour of them.

If the boundaries had been re-drawn as they damn well should have been to eliminate Labour's rotten boroughs the Conservative majority would have been much larger.

In England the Conservative majority is well over a hundred - so any challenge to their mandate to govern cannot really come from anyone in England - only from Scots or Welsh.

And finally, the Conservative votes added to the UKIP and DUP votes give an absolute majority of the voters for broadly right of centre policies, so the idea that there is no mandate for a right of centre government is not remotely credible.

, 12:07 Fri Jul 31
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It's all very well quoting the HoC make up after previous elections but clearly now it is a different ball game because it is more than two major parties taking the lions share of the vote. The electorate are now clearly voting four ways with UKIP and SNP eating into the Conservative/Labour cake. And don't forget the Libdems still get votes too.

It is not like the old days it is now unbalanced like never before in terms of votes cast and MPs achieved. Thus by any measure the Conservative government does not have a national mandate to govern entirely as it chooses. It has a constitutional mandate though but let's hope it follows the moral imperative when considering national rather than narrow party interests.

percyd 10:43 Fri Jul 31
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After8 9:30 Fri Jul 31

The vapours! I bet they would, but who cares: at least the 3 million (?) that voted UKIP (had anything like that number done so under PR) would have had something of a say. The string of results you list under the FPTP system demonstrate it's flaws. What one cannot sensibly do is make the assumption that voting patterns under the 2 systems would be identical: this is a very common mistake by pundits. As I said to infidel the voting public are generally smarter than they are given credit for.

After8 9:30 Fri Jul 31
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Also infidel if we had had PR we'd have had a conservative government still but one supported by ukip. Which I am pretty confident the left, especially the champagne socialists in London would have had a fit of the vapours over.

It seems they only like elections when they win and win big or when there's a coalition which does exactly what suits the Labour Party.

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